Marcia Mantell is passionate about Social Security. And she’s on a crusade to educate women about how critical Social Security is in planning for their retirement. She launched her retirement consulting firm in 2005 and is considered a retirement industry go-to-person for expert-level Social Security and Medicare information.
Marcia recently sent me her latest book, What’s the Deal with Social Security for Women. Fearing a technical, jargon-filled—i.e., boring—tome, I was pleasantly surprised to find it an approachable, easy, engaging (and sometimes humorous!) read. Although Roxanne and I don’t usually post about the financial aspects of retirement, this subject is too important—and so misunderstood—that I felt I needed to interview Marcia for our blog.
Marcia, your latest book is What’s the Deal with Social Security for Women. What’s it about and why did you decide to write it?
This book is about the rules and regulations of Social Security and how it applies to women’s real-life situations.
What pushed me to write the book is that after every presentation I give about Social Security—even after the question-and-answer session—there is always a line of 20 or more people who want to discuss their personal situations with me. I saw that people can’t apply the rules to their own lives; they need help.
So, my approach in the book is to use real situations so that people can follow along and find their own. The book addresses a need I saw in the real world.
Who is this book for?
It’s for women ages 50 to 70 and for their spouses, if they are married. It’s for single women, married women, divorced women and widows—I have chapters on each of these circumstances. Every woman should be able to find herself in this book, without having to read the whole thing. My hope is that it will help women get their arms around this “beast.”
What should women know about Social Security? Why is it an important component of their retirement planning?
We are completely disconnected from this program that becomes, especially for women, the most important source of income we have in our old age. It’s stunning to me that we have left this fact out of our conversations.
Women need to know that:
- Your benefit is based on your highest 35 years of earnings. If you drop out of the workplace—which we women often do to raise children or care for ill or aging family members—and you have zero earnings for some years and less than 35 years of earnings, then zeros go into your calculation. And less in means less out.
- Social Security is a gigantic financial decision. We think about it as, “Hey, I’m 62—free money!” We need to understand that the decision you make in your early 60s—about when to take Social Security—impacts your livelihood in your 80s and 90s.
- Understanding your Social Security statement is critical. For example, there is no bump up in your benefits over time. Many people see the benefit amounts for their various ages and think they get the increasing amounts as they age. What you get is a flat amount (with small cost-of-living increases some years)—which is the amount shown for the year you elect to start taking benefits.
- You can’t make your decision in a vacuum. What you do with Social Security impacts all the other money that you have saved. If you claim early, you are going to draw down your own assets sooner if you need them to make ends meet. If you wait to claim your highest benefit at age 70, you either need to keep working or have other income until that time.
Understand that Social Security is an antiquated system, created in 1935. In order for the math to work well for women, you either have to be an at-home mom or have a long, banner career with high-paying years. Social Security is designed to protect at-home wives and mothers via a spousal benefit, but it’s not designed for the many of us today who can be a combination of a full-time career woman, working mother, wife and future caregiver.
Those of us who play all those roles go in and out of earning years for Social Security because some years we may not have any income. We have our own benefit because we worked “enough”—and it’s usually more than half of our spouse’s benefit, so that spousal benefit isn’t even available to us. But we don’t get as much Social Security as our spouse, in most cases, because there is no accommodation for the five to 10 years we take out of the workforce to take care of kids, or to be a caretaker for a family member. When it comes to Social Security benefits, the general fact is that we just get less.
Bottom line, our roles have changed. The model hasn’t.
What’s the biggest mistake women make relative to Social Security?
There are a few, actually.
First, women often avoid learning about Social Security. I wish everyone would learn to read their statement and learn about the choices they have and the consequences of each.
Second, too many women claim too early—56% of women (and 51% of men) claim before their full retirement age, forever locking in permanent reduced monthly income. And one-third of retirees, both men and women, claim at the earliest possible time—age 62. When you claim at 62, you lose between 25% and 30% of your monthly income permanently. Although some people should claim early—like those with chronic illness, perhaps—the consequence of claiming early can be financially debilitating in later years.
Finally, women often don’t know what their spouse is planning to do. If you’re married, discuss and decide about Social Security together. Women should understand that their spouse’s choice may have an impact on their benefits. If a woman doesn’t have a long history of earnings, her best option may be the spousal benefit. So, the date when her spouse chooses to take Social Security (and the subsequent benefit amount) may impact her financial future too.
Given what you know about this subject, what’s your advice to women?
Understand that this is a key financial decision that affects you into your 80s and 90s. Educate yourself.
Educate your daughters and your granddaughters early—they should begin thinking about Social Security and the impact of their working decisions as early as in their 20s. If you are close to retirement age (or already retired), it’s probably too late to impact your own benefits now, but you can help future generations understand the rules, the benefits and the consequences of their choices.
What are your thoughts about Social Security and Marcia’s comments and advice? Please share!
Marcia Mantell is the President of Mantell Retirement Consulting, Inc. To read Marcia’s thoughts about how baby boomers are reshaping retirement, sign-up for her blog at boomerretirementbriefs.com. You can find What’s the Deal with Social Security for Women on Amazon here.
PHOTO CAPTION: Marcia Mantell, President of Mantell Retirement Consulting, Inc., giving a presentation about Social Security and retirement planning.
I recently found out that I can receive benefits based on my ex spouse (I was married over 10 years) and now can delay my own benefits until I turn 70.
Sounds like good news, Janet. Thanks for commenting and sharing your situation!
Hi Janet,
Yes, ex’s who had long-term marriages can claim on their ex’s work history. Do keep in mind that you have to be unmarried, you both have to be at least age 62, and the divorce had to be final for at least 2 years.
I’d also like to suggest that you confirm switching to your own higher benefit at 70. That option went away for almost everyone in 2016. Were you born before 1/2/1954? Or, is it that your ex has passed away?
Just want to make sure you are getting the right information, and this one situation throws a lot of folks off.
Marcia
During the Reagan years, a new SSA rule went into effect. Spouses who worked for the federal government were no longer able to get a spouse’s social security. This “windfall” elimination hurt mostly low income women. The windfall elimination is fair for some, not for all. This penalty was not phased in.
See: https://www.aarp.org/retirement/social-security/info-2019/public-servant-pensions.html
“The Government Pension Offset (GPO) affects you if you earned a government pension and are married to someone covered by Social Security. You can apply for Social Security spousal or survivor benefits based on your mate’s account, but your monthly benefit will be reduced by two-thirds of the amount of your public pension. If your pension is large enough, your Social Security benefit goes to zero, says Larry Kotlikoff of MaximizeMySocialSecurity.com, a website that helps you make claiming decisions.
Hi Patricia,
You are right — public pensions can and do reduce your own Social Sec and any spousal or survivor benefits. It is pretty disappointing to learn that at the point of retirement.
I will say this is an area of Soc Sec to watch. The legislators are aware of how this is not appropriate for those with hybrid careers, and it is in the swirl of changes to be considered in future amendments to Social Security.
You can also use the WEP and GPO tools on SSA.gov. Just got to SSA.gov and type WEP or GPO into the search bar.
Marcia
Thanks, Patricia, for bringing this information to our readers’ attention.
I also learned as a widow I can take a widow’s benefit on my late husband’s account without affecting my own benefit. I can then switch to my own benefit when it maxes out and discontinue the widow benefit.
Judi,
It does depend on your age when you’re claiming. But, yes, there are 2 “buckets” of Soc Sec funding — one for workers/spouses and a separate one for survivors. For many women who built a career and have their own substantial retirement benefit, it can be quite favorable to claim your surviving spouse benefit at your FRA (or even earlier if you retire early), then at 70, switch to your own maximum benefit that has accrued delayed retirement credits.
They key is to compare your benefit amounts at age 60, 62, FRA, and 70 to see where you get the best benefit payments.
Good luck!
Marcia
This is what I found best. When I retired, I scheduled a meeting with a SSA representative to go over benefit amounts at several ages as well as comparing what I would be entitled to claiming on my late husband’s account vs. mine. Ultimately I claimed on his until I turned 66 (my FRA) then turned over to mine. Claiming on his gave me less each month than just claiming on mine but waiting on mine had the bonus of that being much larger. Like getting a raise.
P.S. Love what you’re doing with this. I have some friends who rely solely on what their financial adviser tells them but being the inquiring person that I am, I think it’s important to also gather info from SSA directly. They are easy to speak with and can give a lot of information if you know the questions to ask. There be the rub it seems!
Thanks for sharing your suggestions, Margaret.
Thanks for sharing your situation, Judi. We are all learning quite a bit from our readers and from Marcia today.
Thank you for this info as I was looking at my last statement. I have been self employed since 2015 and haven’t paid in since then but have more than 50 years of employment.
Hi Antionette,
Great to hear you have a long work history with covered earnings. I might suggest that you meet with your accountant to make sure you are making your Soc Sec/FICA payments as a self-employed person. If you are earning any income, FICA is still due. It just gets paid on a different tax form for self-employed people.
Marcia
Thanks, Antionette, for joining us and commenting today!
I totally agree with Marcia’s statements. As an engineer who had, in Marcia’s words, a “long, banner career with high-paying years” I recognize how lucky I am. I am frustrated with our Social Security benefits statements because it’s less than crystal clear the assumptions behind the estimates. I think the benefit at age 67 or 70 assumes I would keep earning at my current rate plus raised til then. If I want to stop working today and yet know my benefit if I claimed at age 70 (without more working) – that number is NOT on the statement. I strongly recommend the MaximizeMySocialSecurity.com tool for what-if scenarios of your and a current or former spouse’s benefit. It cannot be decided in a vacuum. Excellent work, Marcia!
Thanks, Sue, for your insights. We’re so fortunate to have Marcia as a resource (and a good friend) and to have her replying to readers’ comments today.
Thanks, Sue! I love hearing that you had a banner career! Both of my daughters are engineers.
The statement does a great job of some things, but not everything. And, you’d be shocked how many folks have never even looked at this important tool!
Yes, there are a lot of assumptions built in “behind the scenes”, and the tools on SSA. gov can also help you with many of the scenarios you want to run.
The key is understanding that your benefit calculation is anchored on your FRA. It is assumed that you continue to work until FRA. Then, your age 70 estimated is a straight calculation of the 8% per year delayed retirement credits applied appropriately. It is not assumed that you continue to work until 70 — just till FRA.
It’s really great that you are figuring this out — and you are so right — making your Soc Sec claiming decision should never be done in a vacuum!
Let me know if you have any questions. Happy to help!
Marcia